Historic Registration Information

INFORMATION FOR OWNERS OF CLUB VEHICLES ON CONCESSIONAL REGISTRATION

The NSW Concessional registration Scheme falls into 2 categories:

⦁ The Historical Vehicle Scheme (H Plates) covers registration of vehicles more than 30 years old which are unmodified from from their production specifications, with the exception of some items listed below.
⦁ The Classic Vehicle Scheme (C Plates) covers vehicles which have more modifications than are allowed under the HVS guidelines. Information on the process for obtaining such registration is provided below.

LOG BOOKS
If your vehicle is registered on HVS or CVS and you have been issued with a log book, make sure you fill in your daily schedule. The log book (sheet) is ruled one line for each day’s travel. Even though you may go to a number of destinations per day, record the main destination. If you drive to the SCHVC you must fill in a log book entry. If stopped by the Police and your log book has not recorded the trip, the fine is in the order of $1,200 and loss of 4 points. However, if you are participating in a promulgated club event you do not have to fill in your log book, but you will need to prove you are on a club event and that is why you should carry a copy of The Spoke or a photocopy of the Club Events from the magazine.

We hear odd stories about log books such as one of our members being told by a RMS office that he could only drive his car for 15 days every 3 months because that is why the log book sheet is ruled in four sections! Of course that is incorrect: you can drive on a log book for 60 days per year of registration on any schedule of your choice.

NO LOG BOOK
Classic vehicles can be used for events organised by The Sapphire Coast Historic Vehicle Club or community organisations, provided an official invitation has been received and recorded by the club in the official minutes or ‘Day Book’.  Documentary proof of the forgoing must be carried.

Classic vehicles can also be used on a road or road related area for:
Servicing within a short distance from their place of garaging.
The inspection of the vehicle.

If a longer journey is necessary, the operator must notify the club, and the details recorded by the club in the official minutes or ‘Day Book’.

GUIDELINES FOR ACCEPTABLE MODIFICATIONS TO HVS REGISTERED VEHICLES
Clubs of the NSW Southern Motoring Association have adopted guidelines for acceptable modifications for HVS (H plate) registered historic vehicles, though it is preferable that historic vehicles should remain to the original specification as possible to when manufactured. The HVS is a self- regulating scheme so users (RMS Approved historic vehicle clubs and their respective registrars) are expected to ensure the eligibility guidelines for modifications are solely for the safety and reliability of historic vehicle use on public roads. It is stressed that the allowable modifications are presented as guidelines for Club Registrars/Vehicle Inspection Officers, not rules.

Allowable Modifications for HVS registered vehicles are limited to:
⦁ Engine: Fitment of alloy pistons in lieu of cast iron; hardened valves and seats to reduce regression with unleaded fuel; fitment of carburettors for LPG gas use. LPG vehicles must have certified gas equipment and must be examined by AUVIS for registration.
⦁ Brakes: Non asbestos brake lining material; hydraulic brakes replacing mechanical brakes; stainless steel sleeves in master cylinder and wheel cylinders; neoprene cups in lieu of rubber; brake boosters.
⦁ Wheels and Tyres: Replacement wheels to be of the same design/profile and no more than 25mm (1 inch) wider and no more than 7% diameter different to the original: replacement of original cross ply tyres with radial ply tyres.
⦁ Suspension: Fitment of telescopic shock absorbers.
⦁ Lights: Fitment of Halogen or LED bulbs for extra brightness; fitment of turn indicators.
⦁ Electrical: Conversion from 6V to 12V; replacing generator with an alternator; replacing hand-operated windscreen wipers with electric windscreen wipers.
⦁ Steering: Conversion from LHD to RHD is acceptable only if the vehicle has been issued with ECS or VSCCS certification documentation from a RMS licensed certifier.
⦁ Period Accessories. May be fitted and are defined as accessories offered by the original vehicle manufacturer for that year model, or after-market accessories, available in the period when the vehicle was manufactured. Typically, allowable accessories are radio, air conditioner, heater/demister, driving lights and seat belts.
⦁ Optional Items. May be fitted, and are defined as alternative choices offered by the original vehicle manufacturer for that year model of the vehicle. Typically, options include paint, trim, engine, gearbox, differential and wheels.

How to conditionally register a vehicle in the Historical Vehicle Scheme

Ensure that your vehicle is in roadworthy and fully operational condition, and that it meets the criteria for unmodified historic vehicles.

Book an inspection with the Club’s nominated inspector(s). Currently John Turbet is co-ordinating bookings.
Bring all necessary paperwork to the inspection, including the RMS form 1259, your Club membership receipt and current comprehensive insurance papers.

Vehicles can also be inspected at an Authorised Vehicle Inspection Station for a Blue Slip (Initial registration), or Pink Slip (renewal of registration). This can be presented with the above forms to the Club’s Registration Officers.

After signing and stamping by the Club’s Registration Officer these can be presented to the RMS Office.
For Initial registration you will also need proof of purchase documentation.

How to conditionally register a vehicle in the Classic Vehicle Scheme

1. INITIAL REGISTRATION

Classic Vehicles must be inspected by an RMS Authorised Examiner and be issued a passed Inspection report to confirm that the vehicle is suitable for safe use and complies with the relevant NSW vehicle standards (including the permissible modifications as detailed in Vehicle Standards Information No. 6 Light vehicle modifications or the Compliance Certificate, if required). To establish a conditional registration, an Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection report must be presented. This will consist of a Safety Check, Identity Check and Design Check.

To conditionally register a vehicle in the Classic Vehicle Scheme, the following documentation is required:

⦁ Classic Vehicle Declaration (Form 1835) completed by the Responsible Person and not greater than 42 days old. This must be signed and stamped by the Club’s authorising Officer.
⦁ Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection report not greater than 42 days old (consisting of a Safety Check, Identity Check and Design Check).
The above 2 forms must be forwarded to the ACMC for validation, with the fee of $25 and a self-addressed envelope for return of forms.

The above forms plus the following should be presented to the RMS Office:
⦁ Compliance Certificate (if required).
⦁ Vehicle Import Approval (if the vehicle is imported).
⦁ Application for Conditional Registration completed by the Applicant.
⦁ Proof of registration entitlement (eg receipt of purchase).
⦁ Proof of identity (eg NSW Driver Licence).
⦁ The appropriate fee.

2. RENEWALS

⦁ Classic Vehicle Declaration (Form 1835) completed by the Responsible Person and not greater than 42 days old. This must be signed and stamped by the Club’s authorising Officer.
⦁ Vehicle Inspection Certificate (pink slip) from and Authorised Inspection Station

The above 2 forms must be forwarded to the ACMC for validation, with the fee of $25 and a self-addressed envelope for return of forms.

Upon return, these forms can be presented to the RMS Office for registration renewal.
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VEHICLE USE

Operators wishing to use classic vehicles for passenger transport for weddings or other functions should first check the requirements under the Point to Point Transport (Taxis and hire Vehicles) Act 2016. For information about passenger transport requirements, visit the Point to Point Transport Commissioner website. The operator must also seek approval from the club, and the details recorded by the club in the official minutes or ‘Day Book’.

Classic vehicles must display conditional registration number plates and a current registration label.

Name bars may be affixed to the number plate provided the positioning of the name bar does not obscure the number plate.

NSW classic vehicles may be used temporarily in other States and Territories, under the same conditions as apply in NSW.

Visiting vehicles under a similar scheme in their home State or Territory may be used temporarily in NSW, under the same conditions as apply in their home jurisdiction.

CONDITIONS

Conditionally Registered Classic Vehicles operating under the CVS may be operated on roads and road related areas only under the following conditions:

⦁ Registered operator must be a member of an authorised motoring club
⦁ Log Book System: May be used for 60 days within any 12 months registration period, plus officialy notified Club events:
⦁ Without log book: Use only in conjunction with an officially notified club event or maintenance.

The onus is at all times on the Applicant/registered operator/driver to provide evidence that the Classic Vehicle is being used in accordance with the Conditions of Operation.

The name of the Approved Organisation which the financial member’s club is affiliated with is recorded as a special condition. The name of the registered operator’s club is also recorded as a special condition. If the registered operator belongs to more than one club, the name of the primary club or other clubs may be recorded as a special condition as requested.

Other conditions may be recorded as required.

The Certificate of Approved Operations, detailing the conditions applicable to the operation of the vehicle, must be carried in the vehicle whenever the vehicle is used on a road or road related area.

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Advice received from Phil Moodie re CVS Application Form 1835

All clubs should provide this information to their registrar and to members seeking CVS registration.

I have already advised in previous updates that Sections 1 and 2 of the 1835 form (the left side) must be completed and then the form must be stamped by the registrar in the box for Primary Club. The rest is to be completed by ACMC limited and signed by the authorised ACMC representative (usually Terry Thompson).

Following advice from RMS that they insist on all boxes in section 2 being completed there has been some discussion over the GVM where no specified values are available and in some cases there may be problems relating to engine and chassis numbers. In my recent update to clubs I recommended that the GVM box be left empty for light passenger vehicles that have no figure provided either on the vehicle’s ID plate or on the registration or blue slip documents.

We have had further communication with RMS on the subject.

GVM on 1835 forms

The box must be completed since the RMS/ServiceNSW Counter staff are instructed to ensure that the vehicle GVM is under the 3.5 tonne maximum eligible for the CVS.

Owners are to be “empowered” to find the information themselves. This might be achieved by examining plates attached to the vehicle, old registration documents, blue slip, or on-line sources such as automobile-catalogue.com or carfolio.com. See examples below.

Commercial vehicles, some utes and some 4WD vehicles are likely to have GVM values available. Light passenger sedans, coupes, etc usually do not. However it is always worth checking on line because some historic cars do have a GVM specified. Check out these links which give a GVWR figure for a Jaguar Mark 2 (3.8) of 1890kg. and for a 1984 Range Rover. I have also checked a 1982 MB 500 SEC today and it had a GVM showing on its IOD plate.

GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) is the same as GVM (gross vehicle mass).

https://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/jaguar/mk_2/mark_2_38/1962.html

https://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/land-rover/range_rover_1gen/range_rover_1gen/1984.html

Tare or Kerb weight is not GVM and cannot be used in this box.

 

Responsibilities.

The owner must complete the form. (Don’t leave it ACMC to do your research for you).

The Registrar must be satisfied that the form is properly completed before stamping.

ACMC Ltd. (Terry Thompson) must decide whether to accept the completed form before signing and stamping.

Solution.

Terry and I have come up with a solution for light passenger vehicles that Terry can accept.

For vehicles with Tare (or Kerb weight) under 2000 kg where no GVM is specified, enter <3000kg

in the box.

There may still be a few vehicles with Tare above 2,000 kg that are not covered by this solution.

 

It is yet to be seen whether RMS will find they have a problem with the use of <3,000kg  as suggested. Don’t point it out to counter staff and see how we go. Please report any difficulties.

 

Engine numbers and Chassis numbers.

These must be shown on the 1835 form.

The first point of reference is the Blue Slip which should check the identification of the vehicle.

Secondly check the last full registration documents for the vehicle.

Thirdly check the vehicle for any VIN or other ID.

 

Problems

Some vehicles have substituted engines that were not advised to RMS so engine numbers can be wrong. This should be disclosed by the blue slip.

Some vehicles do not have an engine or chassis number from new. This is particularly true of US built vehicles pre-1968 which often did not have an engine number.

For these vehicles it is common practice in registrations and in US titles to show the same number for both engine and chassis identification.

 

Solution

Where the vehicle does not have engine or chassis numbers but there is a blue slip or previous full registration certificate available with the same number in both boxes use those numbers when completing the 1835 form.

In some circumstances it is possible to request RMS to assign a number to the vehicle (engine or chassis) which should then be used on the 1835 form.

I suggest that owners should keep a photocopy of the finished 1835 form so as to ensure that they use exactly the same numbers in all boxes when renewing in subsequent years.

Please keep me advised of any difficulties encountered and we will keep you  informed if further information becomes available.

I hope this helps,

Phil